We Are Good In Numbers But With Human?


Chatting with Hosea Lai in our RISEUP Conversation was insightful and fun over a cup of healthy coffee with soy.

He is currently the Senior Director of Culture of Inclusion at Applied Materials, with multiple years of experience in these spaces since his early days with Habitat for Humanity International.

Hearing his story of how Inclusion, CSR, Volunteer and Philanthropy have evolved over the years was exciting.

Here are my RISUEP insights from our conversation.


1. Diversity and Inclusion (D&I) Is Constantly Updating 

As the world progresses, organisations must adapt to what Diversity stands for and how we can Include.

Any organisation that recognises this dynamic will have a higher opportunity to retain precious and talented people.

From my observation, many organisations have not embarked on D&I, or just paid lip service for “promotional” purposes.

We have come so far and still have a long way to go.


2. The New Way To Retain Talent Is Not About Retaining.

In one of my earlier posts, I share how we should stop measuring talent retention but talent return-tion.

It is not about whether talent would stay but whether they would RETURN.

One of the solutions is career conversation.

But Asian being Asian, we are good in numbers and KPI, but a conversation with employees on their career? Hmmm.

I got that sorted out ten years ago with a career conversation system that leaders cannot say no to. Lol…

And yes, an insight from Hosea that Diversity and Inclusion cover this space too and this shows that D&I does have a solid ROI.

D&I is not a good-to-have, but a MUST-HAVE in a world moving at a supersonic speed.

You are missing out BIG TIME if you don’t have a D&I expert in your space.


3. Shifting Mindset Of Leaders 

The new leaders today are about training the people so they can eventually leave the organisation in good hands.

And it is not about staying in the organisation for the longest time.

Because the fact is, if leaders are not leaving, then their talent will go.

Leadership is no longer about theories.

Imagine operating in a brand new world after the pandemic with leadership theories that are more than 50 years old… 

We know the answer, don’t we?

The mindset of leaders is the hardest to shift, but not impossible.

It just takes time. How long? I have no idea…. Lol…


This is JOSEPH@RISEUP Signing Off.

May You TRANSFORM, FLOURISH AND PROSPER in the brand new world!

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